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General (ARCHIVED) => The Armchair's Lounge => Topic started by: Moon1ight on January 17, 2018, 01:37:08 AM

Title: On the Imposibility of Living according to Other's Desires
Post by: Moon1ight on January 17, 2018, 01:37:08 AM
Hi everyone!

I had a debate with some Catholics and want to share an idea I had there -- though it is probably not original  ;D Here comes:

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"It is possible to hold long-term, well-considered desires which are contrary to your doctrine and thus -- on your view -- sinful. One can for example be a proud thief. You would have the thief reject his desire and instead choose to live according to Catholic desires -- "What would Jesus do?" However, if one's long-term well-considered desire are not in harmony with "Jesus' desires", I would say that one literally *cannot live* according to Jesus. If one tries, one has given up one's *own* life to become an imitation of Jesus. Contrary to Catholicism, one does not Gain Life Eternal, but rather *looses life* completely!

Thus, even on Catholicism being true, Hell seems *preferable* because then I at least get to *live* (properly understood as living *my way*) for *a while* as opposed to *not at all* by following Jesus instead of myself. The harshness of this position surprises even me :)

Now, of course you can directly deny my point -- "God being Truth and Goodness, being an imitation of Jesus just *is* the best way to live one's life". And what can I say to you? Take Satan as a role model! He chose damnation because that gives him at least a *bit* of *his own life*. He'd rather *die* his way *later*, than live someone else's way, since the latter option means he'd never *actually* live *at all*. Have you no Pride?"
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Now, this is just as true for any other source of desires except for one's own -- the desires of an Ideology, a concrete politician, Leftism, the White race, Humanity... It really doesn't matter. On this view, you either Live Your Way, or you do not live.

What do you think?