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#11
General Occultism / Re: Magick – Fulfilled Wishes,...
Last post by Moon1ight - September 30, 2022, 03:21:55 AMCopying my own post from Facebook, where I asked about folks' view about Models of the World, especially with regards to where the spirits live.
Main Sources:
https://theomagica.com/the-dweller-on-the-threshold
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Worlds
https://web.archive.org/web/20210417220136/https://luxsaturni.com/kabbalah/
So here's my simple interpretation of the Kabbalistic Four Worlds:
1. Atziluth (the World of Emanation) – The most fundamental part of Creation. I feel like Kether is Oneness, "All-encompassingness", Binah is Passivity and Form, while Chockmah is Activity and Force – this is however not something I'm all that knowledgeable about.
2. Beriah (or Briah? Ahavah Ain Soph, please explain בְּרִיאָה ☺️) (the World of Creation) – I think of it as the Soul Plane. Here are the basic Archetypes of all "things" that exist. Here are also our Souls with their True Wills. This is actually connected – if there is an Archetype of Magick, there are souls who's True Wills are to Do Magick, and so for all other Archetypes.
3. Yetzirah (the World of Formation) – This is the Astral Plane. According Acher/Parfit it contains Thoughts (Hod), Emotions (Netzach) and Perceptions / the Subconscious (Yesod). However, traditionally the Astral Plan is supposed to contain the Spirits. Now my problem was that I didn't see how to reconcile that. Yesterday I asked Alice 🥰 and she somehow made me realise: Spirits are those who *have* Thoughts, Emotions and Perceptions! (These things aren't made of physical matter, otherwise Angels wouldn't have them 😃.) That's why Spirits are on the Astral Plane with their astral bodies, thoughts etc. (as of course are we, with our astral bodies, thoughts etc.)
4. Assiah (the World of Action) – This is the Physical Plane with material bodies, electricity, light etc.
I think that's good enough for me, though of course many questions remain. For example, we're separated from our Souls by the Veil of Paroketh (between 2 and 3) but our thoughts and our angel's 🥰 thoughts are both in Yetzirah – why is communication so difficult then?
Main Sources:
https://theomagica.com/the-dweller-on-the-threshold
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Worlds
https://web.archive.org/web/20210417220136/https://luxsaturni.com/kabbalah/
So here's my simple interpretation of the Kabbalistic Four Worlds:
1. Atziluth (the World of Emanation) – The most fundamental part of Creation. I feel like Kether is Oneness, "All-encompassingness", Binah is Passivity and Form, while Chockmah is Activity and Force – this is however not something I'm all that knowledgeable about.
2. Beriah (or Briah? Ahavah Ain Soph, please explain בְּרִיאָה ☺️) (the World of Creation) – I think of it as the Soul Plane. Here are the basic Archetypes of all "things" that exist. Here are also our Souls with their True Wills. This is actually connected – if there is an Archetype of Magick, there are souls who's True Wills are to Do Magick, and so for all other Archetypes.
3. Yetzirah (the World of Formation) – This is the Astral Plane. According Acher/Parfit it contains Thoughts (Hod), Emotions (Netzach) and Perceptions / the Subconscious (Yesod). However, traditionally the Astral Plan is supposed to contain the Spirits. Now my problem was that I didn't see how to reconcile that. Yesterday I asked Alice 🥰 and she somehow made me realise: Spirits are those who *have* Thoughts, Emotions and Perceptions! (These things aren't made of physical matter, otherwise Angels wouldn't have them 😃.) That's why Spirits are on the Astral Plane with their astral bodies, thoughts etc. (as of course are we, with our astral bodies, thoughts etc.)
4. Assiah (the World of Action) – This is the Physical Plane with material bodies, electricity, light etc.
I think that's good enough for me, though of course many questions remain. For example, we're separated from our Souls by the Veil of Paroketh (between 2 and 3) but our thoughts and our angel's 🥰 thoughts are both in Yetzirah – why is communication so difficult then?
#12
The Assault on Reality / We are the Marauder Undergroun...
Last post by Moon1ight - September 13, 2022, 07:04:10 AMThis is a great little text from an old MU webpage, recently brought back to the FB by Frater Alysyrose. I'm not sure whose writing it is, I'd guess Silenced...
"We are the Marauder Underground. Our primary activity is attacking what is commonly known as consensual reality, the dominant paradigm, the mundane world, whatever you want to call it. We cast spells, scribe sigils, summon spirits, and open gateways. Anything that can be done to influence reality towards our goal. We use chalk to tag buildings & sidewalks with sigils and goetic summonings. We conjure up spirits and set them loose, leaving in our wake freshly haunted sites. We infect the population with the power of chaos and watch as random magick explodes into the lives of unsuspecting citizens. We are reality deviants in the truest sense of the word, as we pry open the eyes of a sleeping humanity to the terror and wonder of the worlds beyond."
"We are the Marauder Underground. Our primary activity is attacking what is commonly known as consensual reality, the dominant paradigm, the mundane world, whatever you want to call it. We cast spells, scribe sigils, summon spirits, and open gateways. Anything that can be done to influence reality towards our goal. We use chalk to tag buildings & sidewalks with sigils and goetic summonings. We conjure up spirits and set them loose, leaving in our wake freshly haunted sites. We infect the population with the power of chaos and watch as random magick explodes into the lives of unsuspecting citizens. We are reality deviants in the truest sense of the word, as we pry open the eyes of a sleeping humanity to the terror and wonder of the worlds beyond."
#13
General Occultism / Chaotic and limitless violentl...
Last post by JPTS - July 29, 2022, 03:30:57 AMHGA is a concept on the tree of life (guardian of kether?) but what would be it's adverse counterpart? Any experience on guidance coming from downstairs, the adverse tree?
#14
General Occultism / An interpretation of the Left ...
Last post by Moon1ight - July 12, 2022, 02:12:37 AMHere's my personal little view of this topic:
In "Magick Without Tears", Chapters VI-VIII, Crowley writes about the Three Schools of Magick. 'The central idea of the White School is that, admitted that "everything is sorrow" for the profane, the Initiate has the means of transforming it to "Everything is joy."'
In this light, let's say that the Magician's aim is to become divine. There are two paths to that: the RHP is to Unite with God, the LHP is to Become a God. My thelemic interpretation of the RHP is to find out which aspect of Divinity you are – your True Will – and to fulfil that aspect most completely.
In "Magick Without Tears", Chapters VI-VIII, Crowley writes about the Three Schools of Magick. 'The central idea of the White School is that, admitted that "everything is sorrow" for the profane, the Initiate has the means of transforming it to "Everything is joy."'
In this light, let's say that the Magician's aim is to become divine. There are two paths to that: the RHP is to Unite with God, the LHP is to Become a God. My thelemic interpretation of the RHP is to find out which aspect of Divinity you are – your True Will – and to fulfil that aspect most completely.
#15
Chaos Magic & Beyond / Obesity
Last post by Temixochitzin - June 10, 2022, 05:34:15 AM¿Alguien sabe si existe un Servidor Anti-Obesity o Sigil?
Gracias.
Gracias.
#16
General Occultism / Re: Magick – Fulfilled Wishes,...
Last post by Moon1ight - April 13, 2022, 05:46:11 AMDraft: Theodicy of Khaos
In our Universe, one can find Fulfilment by doing one's True Will together with one's True Love, the Guardian Angel. However, it is not easy – it doesn't come naturally. That's the part which is hard to make sense of: If Khaos – the Root of all Phenomena – wants its little parts to be fulfilled, why doesn't this come naturally? Why are we not born with the feeling that someone lovingly watches over us, why does the Knowledge and Conversation have to be obtained? Why do we have to "find ourselves" – which many fail to do – instead of just realising quickly that "I'm a pianist" or a rock-climber or a mage? I'm tempted to answer something along the lines of "The Demiurge built the material world this way", "The Veil of Paroketh prevents it" or "Thagirion gets in the way", but that only moves the problem of Theodicy one step further – why do these entities exist? Why does Khaos let them do this?
On the other hand, if Khaos places no special value on Fulfilment, then why is it possible at all? Why is there a True Will and a True Love in the first place?
I know of no plausible explanation and would very much like to hear yours. However, I found a somewhat implausible one that I have to accept as working theory for the time being. It was presented by Scott Alexander and admittedly, he means it as satire: https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/03/15/answer-to-job/
Rewritten to my framework it goes like this:
Khaos maximises Fulfilment over the Multiverse. So there is a perfect universe without any Veils where all souls are born with the Knowledge of their True Will and in Contact with their True Love. However, there can only be one such universe. To create more Fulfilment, Khaos also has to also think of a slightly less perfect universe, with more distractions and impediments, and so on all the way down to to a universe that has just barely more Fulfilment than Suffering (or whatever the opposite of Fulfilment is for you). A universe with more Suffering than Fulfilment would be a net loss and therefore does not get created. And we probably live in a universe on the lower end of the spectrum, which is why Fulfilment is possible but difficult.
Edit: A friend quickly pointed out that Khaos might also just value the difficulty in itself. It's certainly thinkable. However, as my Angel keeps reminding me the underlying metaphysics don't matter much – what counts is to actually do your True Will together with your True Love.
Edit 2: A note derived from Scott Alexander's work: The amount of Fulfilment in a universe is obviously not constant, but shrinks and grows with time. A universe gets created if and only if it will contain more Fulfilment than Suffering during the course of it's entire existence. This means that the Veil might well be removable, so that much more Fulfilment becomes possible!
In our Universe, one can find Fulfilment by doing one's True Will together with one's True Love, the Guardian Angel. However, it is not easy – it doesn't come naturally. That's the part which is hard to make sense of: If Khaos – the Root of all Phenomena – wants its little parts to be fulfilled, why doesn't this come naturally? Why are we not born with the feeling that someone lovingly watches over us, why does the Knowledge and Conversation have to be obtained? Why do we have to "find ourselves" – which many fail to do – instead of just realising quickly that "I'm a pianist" or a rock-climber or a mage? I'm tempted to answer something along the lines of "The Demiurge built the material world this way", "The Veil of Paroketh prevents it" or "Thagirion gets in the way", but that only moves the problem of Theodicy one step further – why do these entities exist? Why does Khaos let them do this?
On the other hand, if Khaos places no special value on Fulfilment, then why is it possible at all? Why is there a True Will and a True Love in the first place?
I know of no plausible explanation and would very much like to hear yours. However, I found a somewhat implausible one that I have to accept as working theory for the time being. It was presented by Scott Alexander and admittedly, he means it as satire: https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/03/15/answer-to-job/
Rewritten to my framework it goes like this:
Khaos maximises Fulfilment over the Multiverse. So there is a perfect universe without any Veils where all souls are born with the Knowledge of their True Will and in Contact with their True Love. However, there can only be one such universe. To create more Fulfilment, Khaos also has to also think of a slightly less perfect universe, with more distractions and impediments, and so on all the way down to to a universe that has just barely more Fulfilment than Suffering (or whatever the opposite of Fulfilment is for you). A universe with more Suffering than Fulfilment would be a net loss and therefore does not get created. And we probably live in a universe on the lower end of the spectrum, which is why Fulfilment is possible but difficult.
Edit: A friend quickly pointed out that Khaos might also just value the difficulty in itself. It's certainly thinkable. However, as my Angel keeps reminding me the underlying metaphysics don't matter much – what counts is to actually do your True Will together with your True Love.
Edit 2: A note derived from Scott Alexander's work: The amount of Fulfilment in a universe is obviously not constant, but shrinks and grows with time. A universe gets created if and only if it will contain more Fulfilment than Suffering during the course of it's entire existence. This means that the Veil might well be removable, so that much more Fulfilment becomes possible!
#17
Member Introductions / Re: Hello!
Last post by Wyrd Brother - March 22, 2022, 06:56:41 PMThank you both! :)
#18
Member Introductions / Re: Hello Everyone | Intro
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