CDIA system

[thief_and_a_liar]

I'm trying to read the dkmu literature, and it takes time, because it is so boring.
I see the system focuses on 8 beings, and I thought I first could go into my own system, of 10 grades, 10 beings. The beings I use are not new, but a mix of lovecraftian, jewish and one olympic.

I introduced the system in my Liber Satariel, which I put out on the old forum.

The first being to work with is Choronzon. He is the key in which the initiate gains control over his inner demons, and learns of the Qlipphoth. The whole system I use is really just a version of the tree of death.

I am writing this on my phone, and will add more later...

[thief_and_a_liar]

The next to focus on, is Dagon. Here is dreams and the astral plane. Meditation, lucid dreaming and dream control.

Then is Samael, and one does research upon the history of the Adversary, the devil. One becomes the devil, in thought and in deed.

Next is Lilith, and this is a sex magic grade.

Nyarlathotep. One must read everything by Lovecraft, and understand Cosmicism. Here one becomes a messenger of Azathoth.

[Alysyrose]

Always enjoyed working with these types of systems and mythos. Despite the Simon necro being an obvious fake, I can't say I didn't get a lot of experiences out of that as well. It just has to be applicable. Looking forward to where this goes.

[thief_and_a_liar]

The next grade is Nergal, and trains assassins.

Then is Zevs, which is the organizers/administration.

Sathariel is above this, and purpose here is to make sure the organization remains secret.

The 9th grade is Barbelith, war chiefs if we ever manage to raise an army, and also has responsibility to find new members.

At the top of this system is Azathoth, the leader.

[thief_and_a_liar]

Also, the grade of Sathariel introduces the how and why of human sacrifice.

Nergal is a central grade in the system, and the idea is that initiates that try for this grade are given assignments that will bring money to the organization.

[Zed]

I find it highly interesting that you'd put Choronzon (who isn't part of any of the pantheons you mentioned, and is a very specific entity):

The beings I use are not new, but a mix of lovecraftian, jewish and one olympic.

In fact, Choronzon is (at least in my current understanding) the one who dissolves the boundary between the conscious and unconscious mind (which is, in the A.'.A.'., the ordeal of the Abyss).

Coming back where I was, I think it's unusual that you would wish to confront neophytes with this sort of ordeal. Especially since this is an initiatory system, one would think that you'd leave the hardest part of it for the end. But let me explain why this doesn't make sense in a stricter context (since you're using the good ol' tree, you surely have delved into the way  the Sephiroth themselves interact with the Nightside).

For starters, your attribution is Choronzon - Malkuth.
Malka is of Solar nature (due to the Iesod-Da'ath and Kether-Tiphreth-Malkuth harmonies), and so by placing Choronzon into an aspirant's consciousness would create a major dissonance. At this point, mind-control and other hypnotic suggestions are extremely easy to input. Furthermore, Choronzon is also know as "that guy who fucks shit up". Placing him in conjunction with physical matter is asking for trouble, especially concerning health and money. This alone breaks the very foundation all  magic is based on (and no, I have not seen one disincarnate magician in my decade of practice).

But you say:

The first being to work with is Choronzon. He is the key in which the initiate gains control over his inner demons, and learns of the Qlipphoth.

Control over the inner demons by letting them run wild? That is an interesting notion, however even in the A.'.A.'., when we do nothing more than oath the Probationers to discover the nature and powers of their own being (which is as a speck of dust to the vast desert of Choronzon), 90% fail. Now, given the intensity and nature of Choronzon, I'd be surprised if ANY person at all passed through that grade you just described.

As for the Qliphoth, there is no need to learn of them for the Neophyte who doesn't know black from white on the astral plane. There is no justification to drop an aspirant in a state of confusion and utter helplessness into the Qliphoth, where he will confront further difficulties due to his inability to project himself astrally.
Verily, taking these things lightly will only result in hurt.

Of course, I am speaking from a rather traditional point of view (as those Entities are based in it). If the theoretical neophyte was on a hard (and I mean HARD) regimen of yoga and magic, in a well-structured way, sure, it could work. But it's still pretty damn pointless given the entirely imbalanced way the system is structured.
What I mean to say is, you'd be pretty damn dumb to try and master the sephiroth from the outside where you'll be constantly facing a counter-current that will only get stronger the more you try and force your way. This, again, relates to the relationship between the shells and sephiroth - the shells are those parts of the sephiroth which have given in to putrefaction, are corrupted and generally not very nice to work with. On the other hand, the core of the sephiroth is their power in pure form.

Certainly, mastering one without the other will result in pain, however it's much easier and more productive to go from the inside out, as well as not omitting the Tunnels of Set while you're at it.

/rant

PS. First post, hello & whatever. Is the IRC always dead?

[thief_and_a_liar]

But this is black magic, not white. Instead of dissolving the ego, you become Choronzon, as a devil, a chief of demons.

[Zed]

But this is black magic, not white. Instead of dissolving the ego, you become Choronzon, as a devil, a chief of demons.

The distinction you are making shows a lack of understanding of magic altogether.
All morality is subjective, and there are no absolutes. Re-evaluate your approach; do you want to be an edgy-oh-so-durk-chaote, or do you want to be taken seriously? If the latter, you best do your research on what Choronzon actually IS, and not just base your opinions on what you heard or thought up. Not that becoming Choronzon is impossible, but it's certainly difficult, and when you accomplish it, you'll be disappointed to find that what you were before is now Choronzon.

TL;DR: don't be a faggot, do your research.

[thief_and_a_liar]

I might as well admit some things. First, I do not read occult literature anymore. The reasons are many. So to do research on a beginner topic like Choronzon would be ridiculous. Second, you are right, I mainly do think up things, and it is as it should be.


-thief

[Kiki]

PS. First post, hello & whatever. Is the IRC always dead?

Yep. it used to be really active in the evenings, but lately it seems like I am always missing the active periods. So I feel ya.

I'm trying to read the dkmu literature, and it takes time, because it is so boring.

Also, LULZ.

[Ianas Tebron]

I say develop this system fully, dress it out and create full literature and drop it off at all of your nations public/private school systems. It will be hilarious.

[thief_and_a_liar]

It is fully developed. Search for cdia333.

[Zed]

Google gives nothing but some Hi-fi store.

[thief_and_a_liar]

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdia333/

It is strange that google doesn't find it, as it does when I search for cdia333.
The above link gives some info page, which may be a bit difficult for you to understand, given your lack of google-fu and stuff.

Perhaps the most central message on the board is this one:

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdia333/message/310

[Zed]

Holy shit m8, so many edges. What are you, a 13 year old wannabe satanist?